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By DenMan (63.192.100.85) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:35 pm:

I have a '79 Accord I am trying to replace the brake rotors but I cant seem to get the hub off. Does anyone know how these work or how to get the hub off the knuckle and free the rotor?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

-DenMan

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:07 pm:

I took mine down to the local Machine shop. He charged me $30.00 to press them apart. I supplied him with new bearings and he pressed it all back together.

By Anonymous (203.102.206.2) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:20 pm:

Sometimes you can be lucky and just whack the inside of the hub (at the back where it is pressed into the bearing) with a metal drift and a hammer and it will pop out. Sometimes they're really tight tho and require a hydraulic press as quikrick aluded to.

By John S. (207.160.161.180) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 11:00 am:

Thats one of the major reasons to go over to the 2nd Gen brakes...rotors are held on with screws.

By tedshred (63.224.195.169) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 03:31 pm:

I too had them pressed in by a shop. New bearings and rotors for the car!

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 03:56 pm:

Don't even bother with a hammer just not worth it. You will want to press you new bearings in anyway so as not to damage them, so you may as well get the whole thing done on a press. I always keep a spare set of uprights/spindles/knuckles whatever you want to call them. If a car comes or is coming in I can work on these and then just swap them in one dirty episode. I hate working on filthy bits.

It also means if you only have one car you are not stuck without transport (ie how do you get your knuckles to the shop to be pressed if they are on the car you need to get there?

A spare set is handy for brake conversion planning and plotting if you are into that.

By Andrew Fatseas (203.102.206.2) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:39 pm:

yes, I had this devious plan myself when I was organising all the bits for my front brake conversion last week. all was going fine until I found out the spare uprights I got from the wreckers each had one stripped caliper thread and now i'm taking parts down to the brake place on the back of my ducati. not fun...

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 09:01 pm:

Hey Andrew,

What model duke?

By Adrian (Civicguru) (203.42.97.227) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 09:44 pm:

Andrew's car is an EB3.

Andrew: Why'd you bother getting them from a wrecker? I've got plenty of EB uprights. You should have said something when you were over the other week with your carbs. If you want to drop by and pick some up you're welcome, but it's probably a bit late now ...

By Andrew Fatseas (203.102.206.2) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 11:12 pm:

Charles: The Duke is a 600SS with a shiny new Staintune.

Adrian: I was actually after a spare pair of lower control arms and radius rods specifically, so it was just as easy to rob the whole lot rather than dismantle it while I was there. Thanks for the offer anyway.

By DenMan (209.232.193.49) on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 10:27 pm:

How difficult is it to convert to second gen brakes? Can I just get them from the junk yard? What all do I have to change on each front tire?

-Dennis

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.177) on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 12:40 am:

Hello Dennis,
Just use the "keyword search" and you will find all you need to know from all these awsomely helpfull people here. Just put in brakes and search the first gen section... loads of info is already hiding in this super websight. Good luck and have fun. 1st gen wagon brakes is easyest (from what I read)upgrade but you can read about all that when you go looking.
Randy

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.177) on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 12:48 am:

OOps...didn't see above that you are working with an Accord not a civic...sorry. The other fellas here are more in the know than I anyways.

Hey Andrew...COOL BIKE!!! Used to go to the Sport Bike Rally inn Parry Sound Ontario and we would have 50+ Dukes show up... Seen my first "real" 916 there...68 year old man was riding it...passed me once like I was sunday crusing and I was doing 180+ KPH at the time.

By Paul Krummenacker (216.26.39.192) on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 10:35 pm:

ok... I'm retarded, help.. trying to change out the front disks on my 81 Accord (got a set of Brembo disks, relax, just solid disks, nothing fancy)

I have access to a press and all the other drifts and whatnot, I just want to make sure that I'm pressing on the right part.

I've removed the whole knuckle/hub/disk assembly without the axle. I can see on the back of the assembly there is a dust cap, I popped that off and now I can see the bearings. In the middle of the bearings I can also see the center cup (for lack of a better name) where the axle plugs into.

So... Should I just support the brake disk with blocks and then press on the center cup to push the whole bearing/hub assembly out? that's how I'm reading it in the manual.

just seems like a really lousy design. our VW is much easier to change disks on, just pull the caliper and undo a screw.


while I'm on this project, does anybody know of a stronger (more braking power) caliper that fits on the Accord mounting bracket? I'm trying to beef up the brakes on the old rally car. sure wish this car had the 4 pot Girling calipers like my Volvo used to have.

thanks,
Paul

By errol (64.12.106.33) on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 11:18 pm:

Paul, yeah, the 'splined' hole needs to be pressed out from the hub/bearing. It will leave the ball race on the inner side that has to be removed to. Then you can get at those 14mm bolts that hold the rotor on the hub, replace the rotor and press it all back together again. Yes you will say 'what a stupid design' and think of other ways..... (that's why they changed it) The replacement bearings are a one piece design.

By Paul Krummenacker (12.145.208.12) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 10:47 am:

just an update, took it out and using my in-laws 50 ton press, was able to pop them out and pop the new rotors in, slick as can be. I guess one COULD do it using caveman technology of a socket and a large hammer, but the press makes it go oh so slick.

just wanted to double check with everybody before I buggered it up.

thanks
Paul

By errol (205.188.200.202) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 11:33 pm:

50 ton? that's 100000lbs? what in the world do they use it for? If I were that hub i'd spit that thing out just looking at that press!

By Paul Krummenacker (12.145.208.11) on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 10:08 am:

they use the 50 ton press for pressing all sort of big bearings other gack out at the in-laws farm. Lots of big bearings on the BIG tractors out at the farm.

I just had to line things up, give a few pumps and POP out came the hub. flip it over line it up, a few more pumps and POP, back in it went.

I'm going to keep a spare set of knuckles and disks that are already pressed together in the service truck for my races. I'll probably even keep the spare axles already plugged into the knuckle/hub/rotor assembly, I figure it would be a lot easier if I had a problem to just pull the whole shooting match and slap in a new setup rather than trying to figure out how I'm going to change out individual parts in the middle of a race.

I must say I am MOST pleased at how cheap parts are for this car, make having whole replacement assemblies much more realistic, rather than trying to fiddle with little springs and such, I can just yank and swap.

thanks,
Paul