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By 2low2go (209.148.231.224) on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 10:14 am:

here are some pics of the engine mounts in the 78 hatchback with the '93 civic vtec(D16Z6)more to follow..and also some of the convertible and trailer...Justin

By 2low2go (209.148.231.224) on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 10:37 am:

Here are the pics..i took too long to upload!!..

By 2low2go (209.148.231.224) on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 10:45 am:

Damn.. i have to compress the files down..another day i guess!!...Justin

By 2low2go (209.148.228.250) on Friday, March 02, 2001 - 10:49 am:

Lets try this again...

By 2low2go (209.148.228.250) on Friday, March 02, 2001 - 10:53 am:

okay it worked, so here's some shots of two of the mounts and the conv. and trailer..i'll post the pics of the custom crossmember and oil pan in a few days..justin

By Todd (63.52.5.17) on Friday, March 02, 2001 - 09:14 pm:

That's great work Justin. I wish I had that much space to work in.

By 2low2go (24.113.8.226) on Friday, March 02, 2001 - 09:31 pm:

Yeah me too!!! the motor mounts were built at a friends machine shop and the convertible was cut up at the body shop. I live in a apartment with only two spots(wagon and the minivan reside there)luckily ..i can used the shop at work to create what u see...Justin

By Anonymous (208.60.186.113) on Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 10:04 am:

Love the newer engines in the older civics, how much expertise did it take to get the computer and wiring in? Have you ran into any difficulties with accessory drive placement? Also, what trans. are you using in that setup?...Whats next, the v-tec convertible?

By 2low2go (209.148.226.21) on Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 11:13 am:

Me too..The computer wiring is pretty easy for me(being a car audio installer)The engine goes in with a few body mods..the only problem we ran into was the crank pulley..we ended up going with a unorthodox underdrive racing pulley to clear the frame rail. The alternator fit by massaging the frame rail to clear the pulley.The transmission is from a 91 crx si, the axles are stock '78 pieces(can't wait to break them!!)The convertible is going to have Turbo II from New Zealand.....
Justin

By ROotUS (203.34.130.160) on Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 07:56 pm:

how much did it cost you in total to get the turbII?

By Mad Mel (161.184.41.140) on Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 09:03 pm:

Thanks for the inspiration... I gotta pick up a trunk model to make a convert... Juts to cool!

By 2low2go (209.148.229.62) on Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 05:09 pm:

The turbo II landed in Van. Canada from N.Z. cost me just under $1500.00 cad. (includes duty, gst, etc etc)...Justin

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.193) on Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 05:32 pm:

Quiry from the ignorant...What the heck is a Turbo II ? If it's different looking than a 1200 post a pic for us less informed, please!

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 08:53 pm:

Go to

http://www.users.bigpond.com/Racecraft

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.29) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 08:26 am:

Thanks Charles that Turbo II is a COOL little car.
ISn't that "Shaken" safety inspection in Japan BRUTAL! Holly cow. My buddy from Japan was freaked when I told him my 78 F150 has 818,000 KM's on it. Most cars in japan seldom get over 50,000 KM's (30,000 miles) and they are crushed or exported to China.

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.29) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 08:38 am:

Here is my Cargo Civic
\image

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.29) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 08:41 am:

Crap!!! Still can't figure this out... Dogh!!
The Formatting section regarding posting pics simply stated I need "form based file upload" but didn't cover where to find it, or how to use it , does Netscape 4.75 and IE 5 have this? Just a note I am running Mac so things might be in differnt places to the PC versions... Thanks guys

By david (208.130.240.31) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 10:29 am:

mad mel, the image optio requires a caption.
example...: \image then: {my cargo civic}, right next to it.

if i would of put it on the there correct it would have wanted a pic.

By Mad Mel (161.184.41.27) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 05:42 pm:

Thanks for the help David but I can't figure out how that works on a machine with a true GUI, no DOS hyroglifics to grab a file. The GUI uses the browse option to attach files usually...

OK I will try it anyways...who knows

\image:Cargo 1200
\image:Cargo 1200-2

By Adrian (Civicguru) (203.42.97.227) on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 07:09 pm:

Mate, it makes no difference whether you are on a PC or one of those fruity things. You don't need to know how to use any upload components, it should just work (netscape 4.75 or IE5 should work fine). You just need to get the format correct.

Just type what the formatting section tells you to:

\image{Text description}

The curly braces ({}) are vital, just replace the "Text Description" bit with your own description.
After you post the message it will ask you for a local path to the file(s). Supply the path/file name(s) and submit again ... that's it!

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.93) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 10:24 am:

Aie! By the power o the Fruit I shall try again! Here we go again.

-image:{FREEDOM\FILES\1200 CIVIC\Cargo 1200}
-image:{FREEDOM\FILES\1200 CIVIC\Cargo 1200-2}

(just put the dashes to get it to send, is this correct other than the dashes?) It tried just the file name and that didn't work so I tried the above.

My fruity puter actually has the similar lines as my 1200 when you look at it backwards! LOL

Didn't work here is the Formatting error I got:
The formatting code image: does not exist or cannot be used in this context.

By Adrian (Civicguru) (203.42.97.227) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 02:18 pm:

What's with all those dashes ( - ) and colons ( : )? Replace the dash with a backslash ( \ ) and lose the colon.
Use the syntax as above:

\image{Text description}

By Mad Mel (161.184.41.88) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 06:11 pm:

As I poorly stated I replaced the backslash with a dash so it would go to see if you guys thought it looked correct... OK here we go again

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.28) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 06:28 pm:

WOOOHOO the thick in the head one one did it!!!

Finnaly the pics of my 1200 CARGO Civic. Weekly I haul this much product (or more). With me a full tank of fuel it is close to 1800lbs that you see about to ship off. 22lbs of air in those 13's is not quite enough !!!!! : ) I think I had to put 38lbs in the back ones to make the sidewalls stiff enough.

Anyone else have pics of their Hondas performing (or not) interesting tasks or even miracles?
Randy

By Charles R. (64.170.157.201) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 10:51 pm:

Good god man!
You need to find a wagon.
bad!
I've hauled a lot of engines in mine, but that takes the cake.

By ROotUS (203.34.130.71) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 11:04 pm:

i travelled 7 hours with my city turbo motor sitting next to me... removed the seat and sat motor on tyre... seatbelted in. sounds horrible but i didn't die...
was on a bit of a lean though (specially with cut coils)

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.167) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 11:37 pm:

LOL Yea a wagon with air ride in the back! I think the only reason I can haul that much is due to a third or more of the weight is on the front wheels. I pack the front first as there is only a drivers seat. Actually found a wagon but no front uprights ...wonder who got those?

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.167) on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 11:38 pm:

LOL Yea a wagon with air ride in the back! I think the only reason I can haul that much is due to a third or more of the weight is on the front wheels. I pack the front first as there is only a drivers seat. Actually found a wagon but no front uprights ...wonder who got those?
An engine isn't to heavy but if you got cut coils I am sure it was a challenge!

By John S. (209.223.82.72) on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 12:18 am:

I just have to ask you one thing...Did they stop you at the border?

By Anonymous (202.61.243.14) on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 02:20 am:

I was doing a job that involved installing computers into people's homes.

The little civic could take 5 computers in their original boxes (HP's, with heaps of padding etc), plus 5 monitors (not in boxes).

If you saw the stuff stacked up beside the car you wouldn't think it'd all fit, but it did!

Now, each one of those computers was worth more than twice the car . . .

By Andrew Fatseas (203.102.206.2) on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 02:47 pm:

I've been known to fit the following into my Civic:

Ampeg quad box
Acme 210 speaker
Bass head
Two bass guitars
One normal guitar
One Fender twin guitar amp
Milk crate full of leads and crap
Music stand
Myself

And that's with the front seat still in. I used to get a similar amount of gear into a Mini, but that was with the front seat removed.

By david (208.130.240.62) on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 05:32 pm:

andrew, so you play. are you involved in a project right now?

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.143) on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 09:47 am:

Hey John that would be funny try and cross a boarder with her loaded like that...
I was thinking of using a computer to run my sound system through a wireless palm in my project civic...wont need the padded box though!!
Woa all that in a Mini!! Cool the M & M idea Honda had with his designs sure took the Mini idea to new levels with the 1200.
Ya know I was parked beside a late model civic coup and reflected on the fact that the passenger area was about the same size as my 1200! But being a trunk model they couldn't perfom any haulage miracles.
My Cargo 1200 is pretty rusty, in fact the floor is mostly tin and tar and the front subframe is tearing (gotta find a welder soon or my engine might leave me) so I wonder if I could clear 2000 lbs with a solid one??? >: ) Actually that 1800lbs must have twisted the car a bit as the widshield snapped when I hit a bump at 70MPH...yea I could still reach speed ...sometimes...with all that crap in the car!!

By Andrew Fatseas (203.102.206.2) on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 04:24 pm:

david, I'm doing a few things here and there. mainly just recording at the moment, not so many gigs. I play mainly jazz/funk/drum'n'bass type stuff.

By 2low2go (209.148.233.241) on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 02:33 pm:

Finally got pics uploaded::

/image[turbo II]
/image[turbo II in crate]
/image[comp. etc]

Justin

By 2low2go (209.148.233.241) on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 02:44 pm:

Oops here it is:

/image{turbo in crate}
/image{turbo II}
/image{comp. etc..}

By 2low2go (209.148.233.241) on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 02:47 pm:

#@#@ it's been a while:
here i go again..

By 2low2go (209.148.226.161) on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 06:26 pm:

okay here are a few pics of the conversion in the '78 hatch with the VTEC...if you would like more please e-mail..(LOST ALL ADDRESSES TO A VIRUS)I have about 20 shots of it, but i don't want to crowd Richard's page up...Justin

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.34) on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 10:58 pm:

Hey Justin
Randy in Canmore here.
YEa if you could send some pict to me that would be great
avelon@telusplanet.net
mostly mount design etc. Maybe only two pics per e-mail that way I don't wait so long before I lose my damn connection (Telus SUCKS) and have to start over. Thanks man
Yea I used to get so pissed about those virus thingy's when I had an ibm cloun.

By Jason (216.144.70.231) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 06:22 pm:

I have a couple of questions regarding this swap. What do you do with the brake MC? It looks to be in the same place that the throttle body is. And it looks like the front grill area was cut. Is that necessary for the swap?

Thanks for the info

By 2low2go (24.69.255.202) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 08:53 pm:

Here's the final shot:


the throttle clears the Master with no problems, The grill is a stock one:



Justin

By Jason (64.0.99.137) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 04:59 pm:

hey 2low2go the first picture that you had put in this thread shows that the front had been cut... did you have to remove the MC during the engine installation?

By ruevil2 (12.229.224.91) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 09:07 pm:

Justin,
You used a 93 civic si (d16z6) for your swap. Is a 94 civic vx also a d16z6? Would it be the same as the engine you used?
By the way, your work is pretty amazing. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
KC

By sean (24.184.163.233) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 10:23 pm:

Id like to know, what kind of fuel pump are you guys who converted to EFI using and where is it mounted? Also, can you retain the old carb lines up until under the engine compartment?

I'm looking into a ZC engine swap into an '82 Accord H/B, I know it'll fit...I just don't know how to put it in =)

By Speedfreak (24.78.135.105) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 11:46 pm:

A Ford frame mounted pump from a wrecker did the trick on the blue car. Off an 89 F250 351W, puts out about 40 psi and flows about 90 litres/hour. Jsut hit up your local autowrecker. (this pump would blow up a carb so dont try adapting it to a carbed set-up)

By 2low2go (24.69.255.202) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 12:21 am:

Jason.. the lower valance was cut out for the new bumpers, it can be retained if you stay with stock bumpers. The upper rad support was taken out and replaced(due to being bent and twisted out of shape)..

KC.. i'm from canada and we don't get the vx here..not sure if it's a vtec or not...the vtec single cam only came in our Si, models..

Sean.. You might have to change your inlet line for the injected motor(you can use your original inlet line as the return line) With the ZC swap you will have to run the equal length axles(requires using a intermediate half-shaft)In my conversion i ended up getting the axles shortned and re-splined, It cost me $800.00 for the pair. The only other thing that will take time is building the mounts!...

Speedfreak(Dave)was the guy who got me the fuel pump.

Justin

By sean (24.184.163.233) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 08:49 am:

Thanks guys. Justin - excuse my ignorance, but what exactly are you referring to by inlet line? Is that the hose that feeds the carb (now) under the hood? Also, is the car already set up with a return line to the gas tank, or will I have to make my own?

For the transmission I'm going to try to get one out of a mid-80s Civic Si (US) which will supposedly bolt to the ZC, will I still need the equal length axles?

By 2low2go (207.107.254.249) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 10:59 am:

Sean, you are right, it's the line that feeds the carb(You will use this line as the return line)and run a larger line for the feed....check your diameter on your lines and let me know..I know that the civic tranny will not fit the ZC. You will have to run the equal length shafts amd the intermediate half-shaft from the ZC set-up.

Justin

By daniel (216.144.70.231) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 11:00 am:

it will bolt up as long as it is a D-series motor...
the ZC is also a D-series motor but twin cam
but the VX you can see the engine code right on the block under the distributer... it should read
D16XX.
hope that help sean-
Daniel Andersen

By daniel andersen (216.144.70.231) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 11:07 am:

sorry not sean but ruevil2
sorry for the mix up

By sean (24.184.163.233) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 12:28 pm:

Ok, bear with me I've never worked with fuel systems much in the past, and certainly not converting carb to efi. So right now the car only has one line under the hood to feed the carb? I'll keep that there as a return line, but does the return go all the way back to the tank or just the pump?

Now, if the current feed is going to be used as a return, where will the new, larger feed come out of the tank and go to the fuel pump?

As far as the axles go, like Daniel just mentioned the ZC is a D-Series engine, I know that the intermediate shaft would be a much better setup but I'd like to save myself as much money and work as I can so are there any simpler transmissions in North American Hondas I can use that would not require the equal length shafts?

By Daniel Andersen (216.144.70.231) on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

yeah there is a way you dont have to use the ZC of course but any of the D-series motors has the shorter(drivers side) and longer(pass. side) shafts..


what i wonder is if there is how much did justin shorten the shafts for them to fit?

By 2low2go (207.107.254.249) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 12:33 pm:

The ZC is a d series but twin cam, You can interchange the first gen integra tranny's (D16a1)with the ZC, The D series single cam's are NOT interchangeable with the twin cam. You will have to shorten the shafts in order to fit it in. I can't remember how much we actually took off!!

By 2low2go (207.107.254.249) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 12:36 pm:

The ZC is a d series but twin cam, You can interchange the first gen integra tranny's (D16a1)with the ZC, The D series single cam's are NOT interchangeable with the twin cam. You will have to shorten the shafts in order to fit it in. I can't remember how much we actually took off!!

By Daniel Andersen (216.144.70.231) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:31 pm:

ok well i think i have another solution ... my dad had some axles made for his car a '91 civic SI with a B16 in it... he had some beefier axles made and i will use the measurements off of the stock axles (79 civic) and have some made for my car... but thanks for your time justin-
Daniel Andersen