By david (208.130.246.162) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 06:33 pm:

in the past a few of us have mentioned getting together and consolidating this heap of info we call a message board. i think its time to get the snowball packed. i am willing to do my share. it will take alot of time to go thru and sort everything out into concise data for all to benifet from. we need to first come up with a format and layout. what stuff we want to cover first, etc. we are going to need to run everything by richard too since he runs this site.
this site is wonderful, but i think it can be alot more. plus info thats already been dicussed won't need to be repeated every time a new civic person comes on.
i acually look forward to it.
david

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.225) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 11:10 pm:

I would be interested in helping publish this vast brain base into a modern old Civic book also! Haven't a clue where to start but I am willing. THis summer is going to be hell for me but I will do what I can. Where are you located David? I am in Canmore Alberta Canada.
I wish more people could post tech pics of the mods they did...worth a thousand words as they say. Helps HUGE with such a project.
Is there a way to download the whole sight so it can be accessed off line?

By david (208.130.246.51) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:56 am:

mad mel, i'm in portland oregon in the northwestern USA. i am willing to start as soon as need be. there are programs called off line browsers that will download entire sites. i acually have one called superbot. i think you can find them at http://www.tucows.com. i'm not going to do it until i get my cable modem, though(in next month). i would take way too long. i think we need to tackle one thing at a time. since the most common conversation is engine swaps, we should start there. or mabey we should just go thru every thread and sort the differnt bits into folders. then sort them out folder by folder. this is going to take many many months to get going. like i said it needs to start as soon as possible.
my email is nooneon@hotmail.com

By Don (209.181.52.61) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 06:52 am:

Thats great! Not to be a stinker or anything, but do you know how much work you guys will cause Richard Nasr? Even if all the info is sorted? I think it could be quite alot. If not I could do some sorting when the time arises.

By Mad Mel (161.184.41.163) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:19 am:

Lets not speculate. Ho,,,Richard,,,whats your thoughts? If Richard doesn't have the time someone else could start a mirror or companion websight with all the compiled info (with Richards approval of course). I am sure there is copious amounts of redundant info from people that don't see or know how to use the keyword search. Yes I agree the sooner the better as there is so much information embedded deep in various threads it's unreachable in a reasonable amount of time. My e-mail is avelon@telusplanet.net
I will check out that off line browser thing...need one for Mac...I threw my Pentium PeeCea out my third story window two years ago ...: ) Honest I am not a violent person!! He He He but I hated that computer.
Randy

By tedshred (63.224.195.169) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:40 am:

My approach has been to print out all threads and toss them in a large binder. I've got catagories on wheels, brakes, electrical, exhuast, performance, parts sources, springs, engine, interior, exterior, tricks, and a LARGE misc. catagory. I've got a seperate binder for racing and Autocross that contains printouts on photo's of everyone's cars. It's what I go to when I need inspiration.

By david (208.130.246.117) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 10:59 am:

really? would you want to add your resourses to the cause. to be honest i'm not really sure how to begin. like i said i think we should do each section at at a time in its entirety. there needs to first be big over all vague sections like engine, brakes, etc. then sub sections like engine swaps and brake conversions. we need a base shop manuel i think too. so that we could reference people to it. i say we should use the honda one. i like it alot. very thourogh. its pretty easy to find too, but if someone can't we could have some photocopyed versions to sell to people at say $15 or $20 a peice.
any thoughts on this or anything else pertaining to this matter would be greatly apperciated.

By Julian Burden (210.9.53.6) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 06:05 pm:

Richard has done a fantastic job making this message board available. But I get the feeling that he isn't interested in such an expansion to his site. At a guess, I'd say it is because he has a fair idea as to how much work would be involved. From earlier posts of his it also seems he has space considerations.

I'm an IT consultant, mainly doing programming work - including web pages using Active Server Pages (ASP). I'd be willing to put together the framework for such a site that would allow many people to contribute, with acknowledged 'experts' approving the contributions of others.

With Richard's permission, I could arrange hosting for this 'How-To' site on a commercial server (I'll even pay the $30 setup, and the first 12 months are free) NO BANNERS OR POP-UPS!!! - all Richard would have to do would be to add a link from his main page.

There are ongoing costs: $7 per month (after the first 12 months), and $6 per GB download (first 2GB per month free). I would suggest a donation system to cover the hosting fees (we're not talking big bucks here!) - it'd be a bit like community radio.

I like the idea of having an offline version, not quite sure how I'd implement it, but I would keep it in mind during development.

If Richard agrees, and if there seems to be sufficient support for the above plan, I'll set up a sample site to begin the consultation process.

By david (208.130.245.239) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 11:43 pm:

that sounds wonderful. where to begin?
...to make it easier i suggest people get together in small groups, mabey 2 or 3 people, and tackle a subsection of a chosen section to begin with. mad mel, if you want to corilate with me i wouldn't mind either. mabey tedshred too. after we come up with something we think is good we run it by at least 3 or 4 of the guys who've been working with these cars for a long time(charles, adrian, etc.).
revisions must have a clearing process too.
i know this is sounding all buisness profesional, but doing it as clean as possible will get rid of alot of the communication problems that definately will arise.

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.173) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 11:53 pm:

Tedshred That is great you have that much ambition...I started to do the same thing but is hugely time consuming and it seemed like such a waste for me to do that just for me! Then David came up with this idea...I am lost as he is what to do but willing.
Thanks Julian I agree with your speculations yet its such a waste of information when the threads get old and you cannot find them. I could not find a thread that was only a week old!...and I even knew what I was looking for... You would be EXTREMELY valuable to this venture.
I would head up a electrical and car audio section if no one else wants that one.
Randy

By Bill (65.27.98.82) on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 01:49 am:

What about Dr. Zoom.
Would it be possible to use his format ?

By david (208.130.246.132) on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 09:26 am:

what format are you speaking?
my next major evdevour after all the bull is redoing the entire suspention. i could head up that.
we need a guy that keeps track of whose doing what, that keeps updated on everything.

By Adrian (Civicguru) (203.42.97.227) on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 05:17 pm:

I don't mind proofreading what you end up with but I absolutely INSIST it's run through a spellchecker beforehand.
If people want to ask specific questions I'll give you my ideas, but I just don't have the time to write a whole FAQ, so you enthusiastic guys get to it ... .

By John S. (209.176.166.227) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:55 am:

This all sounds like excellant ways to go about the problems,however,I don't think it would be necessary to move from Richards site. I think we could all contribute a little cash and get rid of the popups right here, where we've been so happy all of this time. I would also be willing to proof read in addition to (hopefully) the Charles's, Adrian, Jim, Richard, and any of the other seasoned 1st Gen. owners.

By Don (209.181.52.31) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 07:01 am:

I think Johns right! I'm in for $10 or so. If eight people gave Richard $10. We would be on our way. Its time to put our money where our PC's or Mac's are.

By tedshred (63.224.195.169) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:28 am:

Yep, I'm in. You guys have saved me tons of money and time anyway.

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:43 am:

I'm in.

By 2low2go (209.148.233.125) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:50 am:

I'm in aswell...let me know
Justin

By lawrence (24.66.94.141) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:40 pm:

I can contribute; let me know.

By david (208.130.245.177) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:55 pm:

well, i'm going to get started on the suspention. my plan now is to work from the bottom of the thread list up and copy all bits associated with supention into a .doc file, then go thru and try to sort through it all. can anyone think of a more efficient way. i have noticed that some threads include multple topics. i have a 33.6 connection so this is going to take a while.

people, start choosing your topic.

By Ed (24.43.71.141) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:59 pm:

good luck David... but just a quick hint.. when you do a keyword search, suspention is spelled
s-u-s-p-e-n-s-i-o-n there's no 't'.

By Don (209.181.52.51) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

So Richard, I count quite a few people that want to send you money and get rid of the popups for a start. Would you send me your mailing address again, as I lost it from last fall when I bought the sidedraft, and the International Money Order will be in you hands ASAP. Tell us your thoughts and If or how we can help. We are very thankful for the work you have done and are behind you 100% big guy.

Personally I like the Board as is, it just needs a little upkeep, before some other members crucify me, let me explain.

Threads
Finding info has not been a problem for me using the key word search. In fact if you want to find out something about brakes, punch it in! The same questions will be ask and answered many times over.
Some of this needs to be deleted, house keeping.

Pictures
If you guys think the threads from the week load slow now, just add a few hundred pictures.
My idea is to add a few meaningful tech photos and just e-mail a member that has experience, to send them to you if you want more info. If you were going to do a suspension upgrade or a V-Tec swap you would not go by pictures and a summary. Believe me something would come up and you would have to E-mail somebody anyway.

I have received my most valuable info e-mailing one on one with quite a few of you. Yes you may have to wait a few days for a personal reply, but the results are worth it.

With any project there has to be a person in charge I think it should still be Nasr, He started it! and has done a great job. If we get to many self appointed “leaders” the results will not be pretty. One “slave” with $10 ready!

That’s my two cents!

By david (208.130.245.244) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 10:57 pm:

the idea behind consolidating all this info isn't just to compile everything, but to also fill in the gaps. make a complete document on how to do a wagon accord brake coversion, for example. or how to install koni front wet kits in the rear. the idea is to humanise it, to iclude the weird quirks that people have run into over the years.
we arn't making a shop manuel.
i want to see more civics on the road that people take pride in.
i need an adress to send my $10, too.

By Don (209.181.52.83) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 06:40 am:

Sounds great David!
You know this would be most effective if you actually did a wet conversion and took a few small pictures. You could make your own page and post the address if we don't get a response and ask Nasr to link it from his links page.
It could have different contributions from each person as their time allows
so it could be something like this
Davids how to on (????)
link....
MadMax stereo install
link....
It could be away to accomplish the same idea without much work or space increase for Nasr

PS the wet kit conversion has already been briefly described in the threads, not the custom job that Charles did. but just the plan old go get the 75 CVCC struts take the goo out and clean and add oil reassemble.

By Zoin (206.172.136.186) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 11:34 am:

Hey guys just a note... This site has done very well the way it is. What I like about this site is that it is about people with cars helping people with cars. When a new person uses the site and asks about a point that has been discussed in length, they are usually given a note how this site enables you do the "search" That person feels that they have been helped and walk away thinking "what a great site!" The more that use the site the better! Maybe one day this site could make a little money for Richard. Let us take a close look at what Richard has here that makes it a success and focus on that. This is about the only site that I look at daily. If I need info I know this site has it or can give it. The only thing I can see that could be done are some quick helps where you could click on a link that takes you to a folder of suggestions for your problems. Just like at a Computer game site that have the FAQ's . The rest of the site is great!

By Don (209.181.52.91) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 02:51 pm:

We never said it wasn't great! In a few posts above yours, I posted that I was happy with the site. Some of the members just wanted to have more accessible, less redundant info & no popups.
This could be accomplished in a variety of ways some of don't require anything more than a link.

If you use the site that frequently, pitch in and we can be popup free for a year.
I think this discussion has been a "feeling out the options" more than anything.

By Zoin (209.226.249.39) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 09:58 pm:

Yes you are right Don. I did not read all the way down. As Richard has stated in the past...he is running short on room. Hey I am wondering how much the pop up adds make for Richard? If we all just cliked on them once a month would that do much for his site income? I do not know alot about the link pay outs. Rich could you tell us how they work and maybe we can do a monthly link visit or something??? If we visited one site enough maybe that would pay enough that we would not need the other pop up. What do you think??

By Don (209.181.52.52) on Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 07:02 am:

From my understanding of how these sites work, the only benefit Nasr receives is a place to host his site. The hosting company is the one that receives money from the advertisers. That's why I mentioned that we all chip in and show our support, if it runs over what he needs for operating expenses this year then he will have a start on next. Richard has made this site out of the love for early Civics, and just being a nice guy. I don't think he can make money from the popups, if I knew that he did then they may be more tolerable.
There are also free hosts that advertise with less intrusive banners adds.

By Don (209.181.52.52) on Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 07:13 am:

If some deleting of the redundant info/questions was done this would save on the space that this site was allowed allowing more room for new links or ???

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.122) on Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 08:25 am:

Exactly Zoin...your latter point is exactly what we want to do here. The "Key Word Search" works great but some or any of the more popular topics lose out. Some very good usfull information gets totally burried in the streams. I am extremely busy and wasting 20 min to 1/2 an hour is extremely frustrating. I therefor have to do one of two things...post an eternally redundant quiry that might not get answered. THe other is let it go...if I have to let it go to many times I will let the 1200 go as often happens with our old toys as we enter middle age..but there might not be any 1200's left by the time retirement tinker fest kicks in.

Yes Don your point about linking to a persons own web sight is good and gives accountability. I am willing to help compile info but I have not time nore ability to create a good web sight.

Oh it's "Mad Mel" Max is a noteworthy Oz auto barbarian...; ) a distant relation I am sure!

By Mad Mel (161.184.40.194) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:20 am:

I am in the middle of a move right now so you might not see me here for a week. Keep this going guys, I will be back!

By Zippy (64.12.102.23) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:43 pm:

I have an alternative idea. Why don't we add another level of directories, each dealing with a specific subject so that threads on brakes would be in a brake directory, suspensions in suspension directory, carb under engine/intake/carb etc. The body of info would be easily viewed and gaps in the info would be more apparent. Just a thought. I'm in for any upgrade in organization. Whomever is chief send me an order and an address for my donation.

By david (208.130.246.212) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:33 pm:

sounds great, but civic people seem a problem coloring within the lines.

By Charles R. (64.170.157.194) on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 12:35 am:

In the next couple of weeks, I'm going to do the 4x100 conversion.
I'm using '79 wagon spindles and '80 hubs. For brakes, I'll be using the '84 Accord rotors and calipers I already have on my wagon. for the rears, I'm going to have the stock drums redrilled.

I'm taking a number of digital pictures for my own "how to" write up. If anyone is already tackling the "brakes" subject, they are welcome to these pics and notes. Just give me an email in a couple of weeks. wlsilva@pacbell.net
Also on the "very soon" list is a koni wet kit install and the complete reinstallation of the wiring harnesses in my car.

By Don (209.181.52.44) on Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 11:28 pm:

I think this thread is dying, ignored and put off.
The site is great! I probably wouldn't have bought a 1200 with out the support and advice of some of you. With all things there are ways to improve and this is what we were trying to do. Trying to share some of the responsibility both time and $. The owen post about the loose shifter is case in point, how many times are these common problems to be addressed then buried. I cant even get an address to send money to! Mr. Nasr you have my thanks & $ if you do change you mind. If not, I will continue to enjoy the service you have so thoughtfully provided.

By david (208.130.246.67) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 12:41 am:

i have been deep in car problems and a new job, but getting this idea off the ground is still fresh in my mind. i am getting cable modem sometime very soon. that will make looking through all these pages much easier. right now it can take 2 0r 3 minutes to open 1 thread. this is not a dying thread, i just think that people arn't sure where to start. any progess and new direction will certainly be posted by me and i hope anyone else.

By ROotUS (203.34.130.138) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 05:28 am:

my opinion on it all... is it would be great. but i think that we need to organise a set of priorities. which topics need to be covered the most?
everyone list all the the things they want documented... then they be ranked in order of importance or popularity.
starting with brake conversions - then motor swaps... etc.

By ROotUS (203.34.130.138) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 06:17 am:

my opinion on it all... is it would be great. but i think that we need to organise a set of priorities. which topics need to be covered the most?
everyone list all the the things they want documented... then they be ranked in order of importance or popularity.
starting with brake conversions - then motor swaps... etc.

By 2low2go (209.148.228.95) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 10:02 am:

Charles R. ...i just finished upgrading my front rotors and calipers. I went with '92-'95 civic si front calipers and Powerslot rotors(crossdrilled and sloted)I'll post pics shortly, I also grabed the rear disc ass. and i'm currently building mounting plates to fit to the wagon rear trailing arm....Justin

By Ramon (207.5.4.95) on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 11:02 am:

What wagon rear trailing arm. I have a wagon and all that is back there is leaf springs and shocks.
I am confused.

By 2low2go (209.148.233.196) on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 01:21 pm:

What i meant by trailing arm is the rear axle assembly...later