By ROotUS (203.23.169.189) on Saturday, May 05, 2001 - 10:02 pm:

i'll be shopping for all the bits i need to do my swap in the near future... and i have my shopping list gathered from this board... i just need to know average pricing, so i know if i'm being ripped or getting a good deal.
i'll list the parts i think i need, and those who have purchased these items or knows of prices can comment, i can compare and start saving.

* bigger fuel line

* high pressure pump (vl/skyline item?)

* internal/external swirlpot

* remote air filter and piping (cheap vs expensive)

* modifying torque rod

* dump pipe fabrication

i haven't a gearbox... so i think i'll use the en 5 spd... this is easiest to mount torque rod to?

thanks everyone_

By Travis (205.188.200.54) on Sunday, May 06, 2001 - 11:46 pm:

When you say bigger Fuel line... what is the best way to go... ? size wise? Cost effectiveness? -04 (1/4"), -06 (3/8"),-08(1/2")???? which is best for a modified engine in the civic running up to about 200hp? Maybe more.... Is having too big of a fuel line to much?
Thanks for th einfo guys,
Travis

By ROotUS (203.34.130.116) on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 12:48 am:

also i have a modified fuel tank with bigger outlet pipe... i think...
i got it with a car i bought... should i use this?

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 05:00 pm:

I posted a reply but it didn't work

So try again

VL turbo fuel pump $250 (NEW)
Fuel lines (1/2 inch) $12 + $12 for a pipe bender
Torque rod (use 1/2 stock civic and 1/2 EN/ER) weld together $10
Airfilter up to $200 for decent ram pod, $50 for plumbing at exhaust shop
Turbo dump pipe, laser cut flange, two mandrel bends to 2.5 inch piping, $250-300 (expensive), I have a second hand one for sale cheap because I have fitted a different type of turbo.
Internal surge tank and large fuel outlet ($70) at radiator repair shop.

By Travis (24.4.254.128) on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 05:30 pm:

Where do I go about getting a VL Turbo fuel pump? And do you know of the specs it puts out?

Thanks,
Travis

By ROotUS (203.23.169.187) on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 06:31 pm:

ahmm.. i'm stupid when it comes to turbos... (i know how they work and all that stuff) just i don't know a thing about wastegates....
2.5" pipes for a wastegate seems a lot? where does this run to? where on the motor does it run off... i can only see a 2" port coming off turbo, but i assume thas where you build the exhaust from.... is this a difference between T1 and T2 (i have T1)

By Travis (24.0.224.35) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 09:29 pm:

Can anyone tell me if a Electric Fuel Pump for the 1979-83 Honda Accord and Prelude with the 1800cc Honda Engine (it is an intank model) Part number: 16700-689-025 will fit a 1200 Engine tank (adviously will be for a modified engine- 1.6L fuel injected)? Any info will be great thanks guys.

Travis

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 10:33 pm:

No good Travis, that is a low pressure pump. It would be fine to work as a lift pump for an external EFI pump but it would not have the 40psi pressure of an EFI pump (more like 6psi). A VL turbo pump we can supply. I think you will find REPCO etc will charge around $450 for them retail. If you are outside Australia it may be hard to find. It flows about 2.0L/min at 65psi (a lot).

Rootus,

See that plate on the back of the turbo? Take that off and you will see the wastegate and the exhaust turbine. The dump pipe is a 2.5 inch pipe that bolts onto that flange and leads to your exhaust under the car. You can keep the 2.5 inch for the rest of the length of the exhaust but the first few feet is critical. It is not a screamer pipe (pipe that vents wastegate to air as oppossed to exhaust.

By ROotUS (203.34.130.82) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 10:44 pm:

is this not a standard thing in the city?

By Don (209.181.52.98) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:18 am:

Hey Travis!
The USA is full of performance high pressure pumps. Do your swap this is an easy part.
Some of the bigger (made for high hp v8's or turbo motors) ones do cost some big$$, but you may be able to hunt down a smaller one with lower volume for less.

By Travis (24.0.224.35) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:25 pm:

Ok, yeah I acually found a Vtech inline (not stock) pump in my JCwhitney mag. for like $179... not to bad.. and should work perfect.. as soon I can find a way to plug the fuel pump hole.

Travis

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:49 pm:

Remember a turbo model pump is always likely to be better suited for a turbo car as fuel pressure increase with boost pressure. If you are just going EFI any decent pump should do. Too big a pump and you can lose power as it overheats the fuel. So watch out. Work out your maximum power, and the required fuel flow, give an 50% capacity to make up for line restrictions and friction (all pumps are flow rated without lines attached)

By 2low2go (207.107.254.186) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:43 pm:

travis i cross-referenced the pump that came with my city turbo and it's the same part number found on '86-'87 integra..the local wrecker here want $100.00 cad. for it..Justin

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:46 pm:

Travis,

I strongly advise against using a second hand pump for your engine if it is turbo 1200 and you want 200hp out of it. For 200hp from a city turbo engine you are looking at about 25-30psi boost pressure. That means the fuel pump has to supply up to 70psi fuel pressure when the engine is on boost. An efi fuel pump is supposed to have an effective life span of 100 000km. The integra and the city have between 110 and 130hp and the pump will work accordingly. The one thing you really want is to keep the fuel up to a highly stressed engine. A slight lean out and nasty things happen.

Charles

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:36 pm:

Justin,

Did you get the parts?

Charles

By 2low2go (207.107.254.186) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:43 pm:

They arrived today..gotta pick them up from the post office,
thanks Justin

By Travis (205.188.193.163) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:46 pm:

No, I don't plan to get a City enigne. I am going with a B16A.... that is hwy I said for a 1.6L VTEc fuel injected. Thanks for the info thouhg guys.

Travis

By Charles (137.219.16.107) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:22 pm:

Go with the vtec pump then. As long as you are not going turbo on the vtec. The vtec pumps are in tank. Are you going to fit it into your tank or will you try to use it externally?

Are you going to try and register this B16A powered beast? Go luck with no chassis rails.

By Travis (24.4.254.128) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:09 am:

Sorry to just leave this conversation not finished. I plan to use the Vtec pump externally, as it is not a stock Honda pump, it is aftermarket for the B16A. And you can order either an in-take pump or external pump. So I will be getting the external model. Yes I plan to register it. The whole front end is going to be custom, including a front sub frame connecting to the front four "stock frame rails". The front end has already been cute off. I figure doing all of this will make it easy to install the motor mounts where needed by scratch. Now I just need to get the engine and locate a junked car that has the same mounts as the B16A needs (anyone know which mounts {models} will work without modification?). Then I am getting a full fiberglass front end (hopefully early October). Get a Radiator from a VW as Justin did with his dark blue '87 Si powered Hatch. I hope to have a few diagrams drown up on the computer soon so everyone can get more of an idea of how crazy of a project I am doing. But hay, I'm still young yet... got a lot of time ahead of me to finish it Throw some comments or ideas at me...

Travis

By Travis (24.4.254.156) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:43 am:

Click Here --> Engine Bay Image for a pic of what it looks like so far. And/Or go to my 1200 page for more info. My 1200 Home Page

Travis