By kelly (205.188.192.162) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 04:58 am:

i was wondering how involved it would be and what exactly the major problems were, my 78 needs to get started and id like more info.
there are about a dozen pre 85 hondas i can pick from at the salvage yard and id like to do so before they get crushed. any help would be great.

By Sash (Sash) (207.225.66.215) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 01:51 pm:

I am about 60% done with a EK1 swap. Never done a engine swap on anything nonamerican before this. This is VERY easy. Placing the EK1 out of a early 80's prelude/accor in to me 78 CVCC hatch. GO for it. I have been told these EK1 motors are 100 horse power(1753cc) stock.

By kelly (64.12.102.151) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 02:04 pm:

well the 78 isnt a cvcc so i might have more clearance problems, now when you say 60% done, what have you left, and have you hit any motor mount problems? i dont have a welder and im in college so time is a factor, i guess i can work on it a few days a week. also about how much did you spend on the swap. thanks for the help

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 02:07 pm:

Here are a few threads relating to your question:
"Engine swap possibilities??" "New Engines (thinking of ditching the 1234!)" and "Transplanting a 1751 motor into a Civic"
Some of these threads can get a little long and muddled... even down right crazy!! but it's all good info!

By Sash (Sash) (207.225.86.165) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 07:17 pm:

Kelly I pulled the EK1 from a 79 (1200 body) hatch. I cam out with ease and due believe it will go in with ease.

By Hondahead (24.67.176.212) on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:17 am:

Not trying to rain on your parade Sash but the U.S. EK1(1751) produce 72hp not 100hp.I belive the 82-83 EL(1600) pump out 86hp.

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:47 am:

Yeah, I think Sash is reffering to the Japanese import.

By Sash (Sash) (216.161.84.210) on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 02:26 pm:

yes sorry for the non clarity of my words. Yeah, I was talking about the import

By kelly (205.188.198.39) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 04:10 am:

Hey Charles, i was reading the other threads about this but could you clarify how to machine off the AC drive from the crank pulley,and how to plate the lower gear box. just wanted to make sense of it all.thanks

email me with all the little tidbits of knowlege PLEASE

hal0tw0@aol.com

By jeson squires (24.76.225.186) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 09:44 pm:

hi kelly i have copeted my trnsplant. i have a 76 civic hachback which i put a 1600EL from an 83 accord. it was rather easy the onlt moter mount mod i had to deal with was the mount fore the torck rod, on the 1200 there is a place on the head were the rod bolts to,on the 1600 ther is no place fore this rod to atach so i made a mount outof 1 inch plate alumineum that picked up the two bolts at the back that conect the engin to the trany and went strait up to to give me a place to bolt the torckrod. i also took a 5 speed trany from a 79 cvcc the 5 speeds makes a big differance, i went with the 79 cvcc tranny because it is still a cable cluch and need no mods like thhidro cluch. you will also have to beef up your cooling i took the rad from the 79 cvcc and that worked just fine. remember when you go to get your engin make shour to get the electric fuel pump, the egnition, the wierring harness, and the flex pipe for the exost. most good wreckers will give you a pakage.eny more questions jasonsquires@home.con

By Hondahead (24.67.176.212) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 07:27 am:

The 82-83 Accord 5spd have a cable clutch and in my opinion would be a better choice.It's a stonger tranny and also bolts right in without mods.Also,the stock torque rod bracket that bolts to the tranny can be used.You then need only to have a shortened torque rod made up.Just my thoughts,good luck.

By Hondahead (24.67.176.212) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 07:32 am:

One more thing,if you use a 79-81EL or 79-81EK and a 82-83 5spd you don't need to make any mount mods.

By Anonymous (63.14.199.37) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 09:44 pm:

kelly it is easier in my opion to just beef up your 1200 still get really good power (i have 102hp dynoed) less head aches, not to mention if you do any racing the 1600 is heavier and creates handeling problems not weighted properly. And without the right tools it is a pain to put in, i did the 1600 swap, i tried the 1800cvcc swap both sucked, (in my 79 cvcc) i went to a stroked 1200 best ever three years no problems

By kelly (152.163.207.212) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:01 pm:

thanks for all the input everybody, i really have learned a lot from this board.
anyways i have just sold my 2000 civic so now i can channel all my effort toward the 79,(my mistake from above) but i was wondering also if all these parts were interchangeable to stroke the 1200 (which i think im going to do) are cams interchangeable too?
what about rocker arms? are there different ratios that increase lift? etc...
if there are any tech-heads out there that know specs or anything related please let me know, thanks all

By Anonymous (63.14.193.60) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 09:36 pm:

im sorry wich parts do you wanna interchage into what engine?

By kelly (152.163.197.214) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 09:13 am:

i meant swapping cams and rocker arms from other years and if its possible.
if the cams are the same dimmensionally, will a cam from another 73-79 work?
i dont know all the specs but i know that honda parts swap easily. looking into this board i was wondering how much of a frankenstien monster i can make my honda.
thats all, just curious. thanks for all the help
kelly

By Puff (209.53.204.145) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:20 am:

I also have been toying with the engine swap question but with my limited knowledge (and budget) I think staying with the 1200 will be my best bet. Here is my stupid question of the day. What does STROKED mean? Rebuilt,rebored??

By Tim Harding (Timh) (63.161.30.149) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 11:33 am:

Hey, that's not a stupid question at all. To "stroke" an engine means to replace the stock crankshaft with one that has a longer "throw." What this really means is that the piston will move back and forth a greater distance than before, and you will get a bigger displacement engine. So whenever you hear somebody say they are putting in an EN or 1335 crank it means they are replacing the 1200 crank (and rods) with those from a 1335 engine. Thankfully the boys at Honda made a lot of parts interchangable from many engines. One thing to note: Stoking an engine is not always a good thing. Increasing the stroke also increases piston speed in the engine, which also creates more stress. Some people actually "de-stroke" racing engines so they can rev them really high. But if you are building a street engine a stroked 1200 might be just the ticket.

By Todd (63.50.56.83) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 11:36 am:

Stroked means you put a crank from a 1335 engine into your 1237. This increases the stroke from 76mm to 82mm. More stroke = better leverage on the crank = more torque.
Kelly, All the stock cams from the 1200s will interchange, but for performance its best to go with something bigger from the aftermarket. Racecraft sells the Mugen copies and Webcam has 3 grinds to choose from. I've heard of a few of the Aussies building Frankenstein motors using 1500 cranks and such, but for the money the 1300 is best because IT BOLTS IN WITHOUT REMACHINING ANYTHING. Motor swaps are a good way to increase power, but don't underestimate the 1200.

By kelly (205.188.197.158) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:45 pm:

oh yeah, when going scrapyard hunting for swaps/parts, how can you tell the motor is good or bad? if you cant start the thing how can you make an informed decision about laying down a few hundred dollars for it? just wondering
kelly

By Nikolaj (213.197.5.113) on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 06:32 pm:

You say Webcam has 3 grinds to choose from...
Is that www.webcam.com??? Cause I can't get it!

By kely (152.163.207.207) on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 03:28 am:

i found it.
the address is www.webcaminc.com